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Hey there,

while reading Byron Katie's book A Thousand Names for Joy last night, (which is the first time I have read any of her material) I discovered that she teaches separation from thought is what brings peace and presence.

This reminded me a lot of Eckhart Tolle and how he emphasizes being present and how thoughts have very little to do with the present moment.

Is enlightenment simply non attachment from thoughts?

The ability to simply be aware of these arising thoughts, but have nothing more to do with them?


If so, then case closed. No need to read anything further. Just simply practice that for your life and see where it takes you.


But I truly believe that "enlightenment" isn't nearly as complicated as some people seem to think it is. Also, I don't believe it needs to be chased for decades.

So what do you all think of this enlightenment definition?

I'd love to get some wonderful replies to this.


Thanks for your time and as I type this I want to say..

Don't think about this post. Simply observe the words that you are reading and look inward to observe how you feel reading that enlightenment is simply being non attached from the thoughts that arise.


How does that feel?

Type that below.


Peace!


Jared James : D

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Yes my Truthwithin says yes. What a big deal the ego makes of ______________( you name it!
Lovin Life with immense freedom and joy! Joyce

Jared,

For me, I think it goes deeper than non-attachment to certain thoughts. The biggest trap is the thought of "I" (the self-identification with anything) and enlightenment requires the non-attachment to this "I" thought.

I have done lots of practice with detaching from thoughts of work, thoughts of relationships, etc, etc, but until we have eliminated the "I" thought, we aren't truly free.

It's bigger than ego/personality, habit energy or form (body, material good), but the identification even with our soul can be a trap to keep us bound. The Buddha talked about "Anatman" or non-self, beyond all ideas of self at all. Even Jesus talked about --and lived and died-- moving beyond self into oneness with the Universal, Undifferentiated Source.

I've studied Ramana Maharshi, whose practice of self-enquiry leads beyond the self to the Universal Self. I have had moments of realizing that the Self (Source/Spirit/God) is Who I AM, but I am still here, so there must be still some realization work to do. (The fact that I wrote "I" three times in the last sentence is a clue that I have work to do! LOL)

Cool discussion, which brings me back to the awareness of who I am not...

Thanks

This thing about enlightenment being about seeing thoughts as just illusions that are to just be transended as Tolle and Katie say is something that I tried and did not have success with myself. I don't know for sure, but I am not an advocate of that idea much. I kind of think that learning to work on mastering thought is more the way to go.
These other philosophies are about just totally letting go and letting whatever is happening to just be without trying to CREATE your reality. It's about totally letting go. I did not find peace in that and underneath that there is this notion that our desires are disturbances to peace, whereas in the LOA approach, our desires fuel us forward to growth.
I don't know for sure, but I think LOA based teachings make more sense.---master thought and CREATE your reality.
Actually, Tom, the ideas and practice of nonattachment help us in using the Law for a greater good than our selfish, ego desires. When we let go of grasping for "our" good, we can participate in a greater good. As we pray for health for others, we call it forth in ourselves. As we envision a world of abundance, freedom and peace, we get to be part of it.

When we realize that our desires are of the self, we can still participate in them, but we hold them lightly and can move into greater expressions of good without being stuck in "having it my way."

For me, having an experience of worldly goods, knowing that they are just as temporary as my own ego/personality, makes them more precious and at the same time, I get to acknowledge the Source/Spirit/God with more freedom, love and devotion. Since it's not just about "the stuff" that I get, it can lead to a greater depth of experience.

But maybe that's just me.

peace.
For sure Seamus. The stuff you mentioned is totally valid.
Of course not being attached to the outcome is a valid concept.
It's kinda hard to explain what I mean is a short reply, but what you say is valid.

Wow. Great replies everyone. That's really cool.

After reading them, I'm thinking about the idea that non-attachment to thoughts or beliefs can/will bring you into the present moment.

Now my question is, is presence the same as enlightenment?

If not, what do you feel is the process of going from presence to enlightenment?

EXACTLY

i like the definition that abraham hicks give of Enlightenment, it's simply about being up to speed with our desires. here's d process they give:

*** TRUE ALLOWING ***

"The potential for enjoyment is so much more than almost anyone is ready for, because you're not enjoying the contrast that causes you to define and decide. So every defining moment is setting you up for a more satisfying manifestation. Every defining moment. Every single defining moment. Every rascal, every moment of abuse, every moment of misunderstanding, every moment of sickness, every moment of anything unwanted has sharpened your ability to understand. Not only understand the difference between unwanted and wanted, but to allow yourself the experience of having it, you see. That's what true allowing is.
So, never again ask how much am I out of the vortex and how much am I in the vortex. Instead say: I'm out just enough to keep myself rocking and rolling. I'm out enough to keep myself sharp to the point that I really KNOW when I click back into place. That's the best utilization of this contrasting world in which you are involved, but it's also the best balance for a physically focused non-physical energy, you see.
What-is doesn't mean diddly squat! Except that it's the beginning of what's coming next. You live in a time/space reality because it's fun to perceive relationships, it's fun to understand distance, it's fun to understand space. In other words, don't you like being in this room but don't you like knowing that there's outside? Don't you like being on the ground but don't you like seeing your world from the air? Don't you like being on a continent but don't you like knowing the ocean is out there? Don't you like depth? Don't you love the way your eyes can look up close or can look off into the distance? Don't you love this time and space reality? Don't you love the rendezvous that time gives? Don't you love moving through time? Don't you love your awareness of time? Don't you understand, and don't you adore, the benefit of being able to focus? That's what all of this is." -- Abe

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