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Permalink Reply by Patra on October 27, 2008 at 7:58pm

".is this something that's been manifested by the victims of that random event?"

Short answer? Yes.

Some people are vibrating to victim, some people are just taking the opportunity to die disease free, fast because they are ready to go, some people are vibrating to aggressor and getting more of that. It moves around a bit, but the hard truth is that there are no random events.

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Permalink Reply by Sarah on October 27, 2008 at 8:04pm

What about kids that die? Like a 2 month old baby who was run over by a car and died? Or a 9 month old that jumped onto train tracks and had a train run over them? It can't be their parents that manifested that cause you can't manifest things for other people, only yourself.

I'm not arguing with you.......just finding it hard to grasp the concept.

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Permalink Reply by Suzy on October 27, 2008 at 8:33pm

I'm like Sarah and find it hard to grasp the concept when it involves a baby. But then I think of some of the writings of Sylvia Browne and the charts we create on the other side. If a parent loses a baby, was the baby part of the universe plan how to create a vibration change in the parent? Or perhaps some other person that is affected by the death of the baby?

We say that it's so sad when a baby dies. But the universe has no right/wrong motives or good/bad emotions. There's only vibrations. It's us humans on this plane of existence that judge the death to be sad/wrongful and the life to be gone.

This thought just occurred to me. Can we have a vibration that we bring from the other side when we are born? My human mind would say, no, we are "empty" when we are born and that we learn vibration as we grow. But that can't be right... Doesn't LOA teach us we have to have some kind of vibration at all times in order to *exist*, even when we've passed on.

What a tangled web we can weave...

Suzy

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Permalink Reply by Sarah on October 27, 2008 at 9:14pm

Gets a bit confusing huh? I'm still not convinced

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Permalink Reply by Patra on October 27, 2008 at 10:19pm

I'll answer Suzy's question and both of your follow ups, Sarah, as best I can. But it is up to you to convince yourself, I can only tell you what I see as the answer to a question asked. I could be wrong and trust you to find your own answers. So, to get to it and then let you carry it where you will...

When you come into your body and are birthed, you are not "empty" of vibration, you are at your highest and most powerful. However, the vibration of your mother and her frequent surroundings are present while you are in the womb and you are in contact with these vibrations. Just as it is with you now, even then in utero you have the choice...do you focus on and mimic the vibration of what is around you, or do you go within and set your own tone. Most mimic the vibration of what is around them and so the live what they are born into. But not all, and those who do mimic what is around them eventually get over it and move onto their own vibration...sort of pick up the pieces and move on. This is why some children are born into "negative" surroundings and never make it out (in this life); they vibrate to what is around them and get a sometimes "lethal' dose, while some children are born into "negative" surroundings and either survive and go in a different direction when adults, or sometimes they are removed by outside forces, or the "trouble makers" are removed by outside forces...the focus of the child is what makes their reality, just as it is with adults.

Hope this helps you find the answers that you are seeking. When you find them you will know.

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Permalink Reply by My True Power on October 27, 2008 at 11:20pm

I'll take a crack at this. Most people have many conflicting thoughts attracting conflicting circumstances and therefore may not have attracted the shooting at all. There is a luck element, perhaps one or two of the people at work would have such a strong positive attraction that they end up missing work that day. The real attractor in the scenario you outline is the bad guy doing the shooting, that is not to say the victims had not attracted it at all but they cannot be blamed as we are all dreamers of our own dream. The shooter is acting VERY badly on his dream and this is what makes it such a terrible thing.

If russia launched a nuke attack It's not very likely that our intentions alone could stop it. By that point the train has left the tracks, but our positive intentions of peace could steer events before hand.

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Permalink Reply by Sarah on October 28, 2008 at 12:05am

I think I get it!! So there may be a certain element of luck involved, but your thoughts or vibrations could steer you towards 'getting out of it' so to speak. By that I mean...not turning up to work or missing the train etc.

I like it! Feel a bit more settled. Thanks heaps!!

Patra, thanks for your input too :-)

xoxo

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Permalink Reply by Suzy on October 28, 2008 at 12:41am

I got to the end of this comment and read it - a bit of a ramble, but I'm trying to put some of my thoughts into words...

I don't think we will likely find an adequate answer while we are alive. I think this is part of the "fault" of our thinking - we need answers/solutions for everything.

For the time being there are people - babies, children, youth, adults, seniors that die because of choices made by themselves or they become victims of other peoples choices/vibrations. A two year old who decides to let go of his mother's hand, runs into traffic and is hit by a car - who's vibration is to blame? The mother for her choice, the two year old for their choice, the driver for their choice? They could all be in a positive vibration and still be a factor in a "bad" situation. Did each of them attract it? Plus we sometimes forget that the law of attraction doesn't work instantly. It manifests when it does, how it does - and there is no conscious behind it, it's just energy attraction and we're just energy.

As for babies - how many are completely innocent? I mean - I was affected in the womb by environmental forces, choices my parents made. I was born in the 60's when we didn't know the dangers of smoking, alcohol and folic acid on a fetus. One of parents has a genetic defect, which was passed along to my younger brother & sister, who both lived just a week. I have a spinal defect from whatever you want to blame it on. I was "innocent". I could have been born with a heart defect & died within a few days. Fortunately, I'm still alive and growing my spirituality, testing my belief system. And in this learning, I'm discussing the concepts with others who are also growing in their belief system.

It makes sense in a crazy way that no matter how positive I am vibrating, I can't completely stay out of the path of another person who is at a lower vibration/on a rampage. How about listening to our inner voice/spirit which could possibly say - don't go into work today and therefore avoid a shooting rampage? Even though I may be in a positive vibration, I may not pay attention to that inner voice.

Let's look at some of the positive vibration leaders of our current times. Is Wayne Dyer/James Arthur Ray/Jack Canfield/Bob Proctor exempt from being caught in a plane crash? Can his home be destroyed by a hurricane? Can his child be killed in a car crash? Maybe their ace in the hole is they clearly hear an inner voice warning them. But we're human and there's a lot of people hurting right now, creating vibrations that are low & attracting negative. What's your distance from their path? Is your inner voice strong enough & do you listen to it say "stay clear of that path of that person - they can cause you harm"? I have a hard time hearing that voice...

Hmmmm.... I'm going to see if I can find what Abraham-Hicks has to say on the concept.

Suzy

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Permalink Reply by Gal on October 28, 2008 at 1:24am

Today I believe I was responsible for everything bad that ever happened to me. And believe me, there was some really bad stuff. I was born in a very negative environment, and I grew up believing that the world was a hostile place. I still think sometimes that the universe is out to get me, and when those feelings come forward, then really bad stuff start happening.

But somehow I managed to get out of that, at least a little. Enough to build a pretty ok life for myself. But there is still a lot to lean, and that's why I'm here :-)

So no, I don't think I was responsible to the bad things that happened to me when I was a baby. But as soon as I grew a little and became an extremely unhappy child, I started attracting more and more bad stuff. And every bad stuff that happened was like a proof that the world was awful. And the more proof I searched for, the more I found.

So in my opinion, we are not responsible for everything that happens. Sometimes bad stuff happens. We are responsible for what we do about it. You can focus on your misery, or you can move on and seek happiness.

Gal

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Permalink Reply by Sarah on October 28, 2008 at 1:25am

Good way to look at it!! xo

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Permalink Reply by Suzy on December 2, 2008 at 2:49pm

I realise that this thread hasn't seen any activity for awhile, but I came across an interesting blog yesterday at "Life Without Limits" and I wanted to share the concept here. Manifesting's grand conspiracy

The gang at LWL believe in law of attraction theory, but they have a different take on it from the average Joe I've talked to. They dig into the practices and beliefs of not just the average person, but the "experts" as well and the info they broadcast to us. Their blogs cause some uproar because they don't believe in sugar coating the theory, that we should be happy & joyful all the time. That we need to deal with our anger and frustration - deal with it & let it go.

(See the PDF called "Cognitive Dissonance" attached at the end of part two of the blog "Manifesting's grand conspiracy" link above. It's written by David Icke, and while I have trouble accepting all this guy is dishing out, he does cause the brain to pause and go "huh? - I didn't consider that".)

Now, this is the concept I was reading yesterday and wanted to address here - the idea that we are not 100% responsible for what happens to us. We have 100% control over our inner lives - how we react to what we see, hear, feel. But externally because everyone is manifesting the outer world so how can we be 100% responsible for all the external stuff that comes at us. We can't - we are responsible for how we react to it. When we take the time to know what ourselves and the people around us have internally vibrated towards then we can work to change/realise the external manifestation.

This theory hurts my head some so I'll try and explain how I see it now. If we ignore the fact that someone is hurting inside, turns to drugs to reduce the pain, becomes an addict, goes broke trying to feed the addiction, now that person decides they need to rob a bank at gunpoint (or decides they cannot live like this anymore and their going to take their frustration out on people by shooting them). The shooting starts and the killing starts. The law of manifestation is at work. For both sides. Let's go back to the beginning - someone is hurting. Why are they hurting? Let's take sexual abuse as a child - an adult manifested the abuse onto a child. The child's protectors - where was their manifestation focus that allowed the child to come into this situation? The child has little protection against manifestation - they haven't had much time to learn to react, learn the concept (most of us as adults still don't know the concept or how to react without creating something negative). How does the child learn to react to this manifestation? Currently they try to bury it any way possible instead of confronting it, letting it go, moving forward into a mentally/physically healthy life. Instead of manifesting something of a higher vibration, they could manifest lower vibration drugs. But this new manifestation doesn't solve the issue, it could manifest more lower vibration - violent death. In a way we manifest the event ourselves by learning/teaching how to deal with our emotions. Our society has become so disfunctional - how much hope for us is there to change this pattern?

How do we stop a vicious circle like this? There's no simple, cut & dried solution. Don't we need to start to everyone of us learn how to love ourselves, let go of hating someone because their beliefs don't match ours, learn to deal with our emotions without turning to drugs/food/alcohol/violence or projecting onto someone else? Do we need to learn to be in conscious control of our thoughts and feelings? And teach this all to our children/family/friends... Throw in some freedom of choice - any solution will never lead to a perfect world free of violence.

This concept - wouldn't it apply to our issues with terrorists? Why do they attack? I'm no expert but haven't they become disillusioned, frustrated, etc. and then someone with more conscious control of emotion uses the disillusioned/frustrated to manifest their own desires to attack those that they believe have wronged them. (or use the manifestation to fuel their desire to feel the power terrorism has on the fearful).

Why do our governments meddle so much? There's the fear of lack of resources, lack of money, lack of control of people... Is it possible there's a fear of the general population's lack of control over their thoughts/feelings? There could definitely be the thrill of power over controlling/manipulating the population. What better way to manifest your life - by manipulating the manifestation power of a population?

Just a little confused thought - Suzette

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