Is remote seduction manipulation?

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Permalink Reply by Renegade on January 12, 2009 at 5:48pm

Well it is a form of but the person always have free will to do what he wants.

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Permalink Reply by Max on January 12, 2009 at 6:23pm

You make a very good point Angie. I personally think it has to do with the thoughts you put into it. If they are pure and unconditional meaning you don't say "YOU WILL LIKE ME" and instead have thoughts of having fun together than that would be acceptable.

Thoughs?

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Permalink Reply by Mallica on January 12, 2009 at 6:33pm

Rationally speaking, if RS is manipulation, then also getting a job by using loa would be manipulation, since you are influencing the boss/ bosses.

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Permalink Reply by Samadhiatman500 on January 12, 2009 at 6:43pm

Yes, I was wondering about this too.

My personal opinion and what I have learned is that everyone has free will. You cannot make someone do something he or she does not want to do.

Marie

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Permalink Reply by Divine Muse on January 12, 2009 at 8:10pm

I think remote seduction is wrong if your will overpowers theirs.

If the person was already being wooed by you, then you're simply speeding up the process. However, if you're trying to win over someone who would have no interest in you otherwise, LOA or no LOA, then that is manipulative.

I think the, "we use LOA argument to gain a job," is a bit misleading. Job offers are given for a variety of reasons- experience, work ethic, personality, how well you interview, references, where as in remote seduction the other person can become victim to your every whim.

Does Remote Seduction work?

I'm not entirely convinced that it does, but in theory, forcing someone to have an interest in you is wrong in principal, no matter how good your intentions are.

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Permalink Reply by Max on January 12, 2009 at 8:34pm

From what I understand it isn't forcing, it's encouraging to try a new road. Correct me if I am wrong people who know how to use RS, but does it work like you think of a scenario with you and the person you like and send that though to them.

Let's say the scenario is you two having a good time, laughing and enjoying life. That sounds pretty normal to me. Perhaps that person you like may catch that though and think about taking that route. They think about it, they don't obey, so it isn't manipulation.

In other words, you're convincing someone of something. It's like having a conversation, only it isn't in the physical form. So let's say you're chatting with someone in real life and you're having a discussion and you're trying to convince that person about your point of view. Thats not manipulation, thats simply giving them a diff perspective and maybe a chance to look that way and maybe accept it.

Do I have that right?

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Permalink Reply by Max on January 12, 2009 at 10:09pm

Hi Angie, I am interested to learn more about this. how do I contact you? There doesn't seem to be a private message tool anywhere here...

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Permalink Reply by Federov100 on January 12, 2009 at 9:10pm

You're right, you can't create in another's reality, it's a basic tenant of the Law of Attraction. Any thought, feeling or action a person makes is their own. However, what's really happening when so-called remote seduction appears to work, is simply the attraction of someone into your experience based on shared or mutually compatible intents. But you can't force them to have mutually compatible intents.

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Permalink Reply by kiddina on January 12, 2009 at 10:16pm

Ok, it's the save with NLP and non-verbal communication.
You are ALWAYS RS! You are ALWAYS co-creating! Just as your body language ALWAYS sends a message.
The key to LOA is to co-create in awareness
The key to RS is to influence- in awareness!!! (Whenever you think of someone, you are RS, creating a bond, for good or for bad, and the person might or might not be receptive).
And the key to NLP and all the techniques that teah about communications and language, are about communicating effectively and in awareness.
We always influence those in our lives, they show up there, right? We are always co-creating, for good or for bad. Even those who seem to be in conflict with us, we atract, we are paying atention to, we think about them, we co-create, both persons forming a relationship, whatever form that might take.
Now, the key to RS, as the key to visualization, is not manifesting. The key to RS is to have fun and enjoy the experience, this daydreamiong, this image, this love, this sensations. So at it worst, it sends love to the other person.
When you picture a bad scenario for the other person, you are feeling those feelings and blah, you are the least benefited. And many times, when we are i.e. arguing with someone in our minds, or angry and thinking about this over and over, we are also RS- to poor results! Actually, our believes about the other person influence the way the other person relates to you.
Quite honestly, to think that the rest of the human beings are fluffy toys whose free will can be undermined by me, revolts me. Each person attracts according to their alignment, and when they stop paying atention to these and that, these and that fall away or change in order to match the new alignment.
Building great relationships is about responsibility, and about feeling great about yourself, feeling great about others, and enjoying co-creation.
With RS, you basically visualize (and get in alignment with) that.

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Permalink Reply by Federov100 on January 12, 2009 at 11:34pm

Good post Kiddina, right on target. I've read two different perspectives from people advocating RS around PI.

In many cases, RS is just another term some use for co-creating. However, some seem to hope that RS is some kind of love potion or voodoo to undermine another's freewill for their own purposes. I'll go out on a limb here, when I read some of these posts, too often they read like wishful thinking from frustrated people whose social skills have yet to mature.

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Permalink Reply by Sirgalahadwizard on January 13, 2009 at 9:50am

Actually yes I guess it is manipulation.

And yes you can force someone to do something they dont want - if they dont know what youre doing - and if they have limiting beliefs that allow them to give away their power to you.

Thats like saying the police can't force you into handcuffs and put you in a car, because you have beliefs that give your power away to them.



Anyway...

There are some times when it's useful. But those are mainly when both partners are consenting, or you would both stand to gain from it (its in both of your best interests, truthfully, not just what you think is their best interests).

Yes RS it most certainly DOES work. I can say from personal experience, having used it, and having had it used on me for evil purposes.

But I still stand behind the practice. If you use your Heart to discern whether it's a good idea or not, and it keeps telling you no, then you dont have to do it (just keep it as a power that is never used).

But like for example, if you met someone nice and you want to speed things along in the relationship, then RS is a great way to get closer faster, since the attraction is already mutual and you're going in that direction anyway.

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Permalink Reply by kiddina on January 13, 2009 at 11:25am

I can read "wizard" in your nick.
I also read in your post that someone used RS on you for evil reason. What you are saying is, someone has power over you. You are a victim.
Well, that's your world, and it's perfect.
In my world, the power of my heart is the paradigm, the law, and the love and the reason. And all things are beautiful.
And in my world, people make their choices.

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