Is remote seduction manipulation?

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Permalink Reply by Sirgalahadwizard on January 13, 2009 at 4:46pm

No.
The circumstances of it were, someone was trying to do a Black Magic Curse on me, and they were using Remote Seduction on me so that I would open myself up to their energies.

Of course, I had NO idea that this person was even knowledgable or powerful in magic, and had NO idea why they would have any reason to do such a thing to me.

But nevertheless that's what happened, I was tricked. Came right out of left field. I hadn't even talked to the person in years.



The only reason it was "allowed" to happen by my Higher Self in the first place is because it was part of a Learning Lesson of some kind.

Once the lesson was learned, everything pretty much returned to normal pretty fast. That's power... to get out from underneith something when it has you at it's mercy.

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Permalink Reply by kevin connolly on January 13, 2009 at 5:06pm

You are safe and okay. You were always this way. You will always be this way. (that feels good to know, doesn't it?)
There's a school of thought that roughly states: This world is all your projection. Outside this you are one with everything in an extension of love. Inside the projection all manner of nightmareish things are possible, but they are temporal and thus meaningless............that's a REALLY rough stab at it.

The Source doesn't teach through pain. That would be a contradiction in terms.

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Permalink Reply by Sirgalahadwizard on January 14, 2009 at 9:59am

The Lesson was to not take revenge on others. Even if it was just to give them a parting blow, emotionally or otherwise.

Because I had failed to learn it the first time around, I was reminded very stiffly so that I would not forget it. As it was going to be one of the last serious negative situations i'd have to deal with.

I think also, it was a resolution of something from ties to a past life. The person in question, as well as the one before them that used black magic on me, might not have done it at all.

Call it karma if you want to, but in doing so it really caused me to sever ALL ties to them. As they were probably part of my "etheric" or "karmic family" and they didn't want me to break free from their grasp and leave the drama group they are a part of.


The biggest problem for me was that being cursed cuts off your connection to source. And since all my powers are based on the power that flows to me from my Higher Self, it was also there as an ego blow.

It was taken care of though, it is over.

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Permalink Reply by kevin connolly on January 13, 2009 at 11:07am

I'm still doing a lot of reading and learning of the LOA. It's been 20 years now (at least) and everyday brings some new wonderful facet that I haven't seen before. So what I'm about to say is certainly not the end all to anything.
Remote Seduction is the manipulation of both yours and some one else's perception. Neither has to do with reality. As such, it can't be maintained because it is not reality.
From everything I've ever read I can pretty much guarantee that your manipulation of reality of, by, and for only yourself has only , in the end, returned to you fear, depression, sadness, anxiety, etc, etc, etc. Why would you want that for another?....and how,at that point, could you ever call it love?

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Permalink Reply by kiddina on January 13, 2009 at 11:32am

So I take you've never had wet dreavs, or erotic thinking about someone else. You are always influencing others, everytime you think, your footprint is out in the world.
With RS you basically focus on what feels good, and if you force fear, anxiety, and negativity into it, then you are negatively creating.
It is just amazing how people can denny their responsibility in their relationships and fall prey of the victim pattern. There are no victims. You create, they create, we all co-create.
And the awful person you have an awful relationship with, they have grand relationships with other people, just not you.
When you RS, you focus a lot in what's pretty in the other person, and you focus on making them feel good, and in making you feel good. Of course it improves relationships! It's LOA!

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Permalink Reply by kevin connolly on January 13, 2009 at 3:42pm

Kiddina: I can agree with you. You are talking about the wholeness that we are. From there, communication, in whatever form it takes, is one thing and it is eternal. It is what we were, what we are, and what we will be outside the envelope of time and space. Since it is, in ultimate, all one there is no need for RS. You are your brother and your brother is you....and all are one with the Source....I agree
Within time and space we are this oneness as well, but we are also the ego. The ego only knows the ego through manipulations in denial of the eternal. As such, the ego can not touch the connection to the wholeness. It promotes love by attack (and since we are one it attacks itself) which is quite insane. By definition, then, it can only be the victim.
The question was posed from the perspective of the ego since to pose it from the perspective of the eternal would have been pointless.

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Permalink Reply by kiddina on January 13, 2009 at 10:31pm

Each person creates his/her destiny.
Now I am off to create mine.

Have fun being a victim! Kisses!

PS: legitimate excuses are ALWAYS fun, aren't them?

Up untill you try challenges, that's the real party!!!

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Permalink Reply by Divine Muse on January 14, 2009 at 11:27am

Wow, this is exactly why RS and LOA does not take into account every single unique experience.

Yes, I would agree that for the most part, we create our own lives and allow certain things to happen to us, but I highly doubt the 7 year old molestation victim, co created that experience, by way of example. Some people have used LOA to place the blame upon the victim, whether it be a victim of RS (should they not had wanted it), a victim of rape, victims of sexual assault, etc.

"Oh, well you co-created that experience, so you brought the rape, etc. into your life."

What ever happened to accountability on the part of the person who brought pain to the victim?

LOA is a great thing, but not when we change its definitions to excuse certain behaviors.

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Permalink Reply by kevin connolly on January 14, 2009 at 3:50pm

There is an intricate abstractness to reality. One day you woke to this world and said "I am". You existed before this moment and you will exist after it. The "I am" blocks true recognition of this before and after. From this moment the "I am" created all forms of non-existent separations within a unified eternity. You have space, and time and contrast. You even have contradiction about the same event within. When you open your eyes in the morning and say "I am" you are a separated mind projecting. This projection is yours and no one else's. My projection is mine and no one else's. Our perceptions based on our projections will always be different. Your projection is not reality and neither is mine.
So who is the victim? In eternity the answer would be no one? From the aware "I am" is it I that am the victim for projecting a world that could contain such a thing? From the unaware "I am" is it the person who was raped? or the person who did the raping? One is a world of truth, love, and unity the other a world of attack and separation.
RS is a naturally occurring law. It happens all the time since within the eternal we are one. Using it within the world the "I am" created is an intentional creation of a dillusion within a dillusion by the separated for it's own devices and not for the unity that already exists, but it can't acknowledge (for the "I am" to acknowledge true unity would destroy it's existence which is based on separation)

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Permalink Reply by kevin connolly on January 15, 2009 at 8:05am

The tongue in cheek answer, but absolutely correct answer, would be I am. ....And from your perspective, you are. It creates by dillusion the nonexistent separation between you and I, and you and I from everything. So if we are not separated from everything then it becomes somewhat common sense that RS doesn't exist. It doesn't have to exist. There's no reason for it to exist. Since the "I am"'s existence is perceived separation than it can have nothing more than lack and scarcity. If you are separated you can't be whole.
Above I said it was naturally occurring within the eternal. I said this from the perspective of the "I am" (I'm not quite the budda yet). RS, or it's existence, is part of the "I am"'s solution to it's created nonexistent boundary between the separated and the non separated. As such, the only deliberate use the "I am" can have for it is for it's own purposes. It is the "I am"'s intent to force it's dillusion onto another (actually it is an attack on to itself since in reality we are non separated) that makes RS objectionable.

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Permalink Reply by WES on January 15, 2009 at 7:26am

The weak learn to be strong, and then no one can manipulate them....

If you are aligned with your true self, then no one can manipulate you... no matter what. Otherwise, it is just self-victimization.

Who cares what someone thinks of me?

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